The Vaccine Challenge - Show #91
This week on Animal Talk Naturally, we have with us Dr. Jean Dodds and Kris Christine, founders of the Rabies Challenge Fund! Normally I get scared talking about vaccines but this show shed a whole lot of light on a dark topic for us animals! We hope everyone who loves their pets will want to be involved in helping the Rabies Challenge Fund, WOOF! Here is this week’s synopsis:
Announcements
Our Guests
Synopsis
1. Comparative medicine
2. Wholism
3. Parvo origins
4. Vaccine protocols
5. HemoPet
6. The Rabies Challenge
7. No definitive study for YEARLY vaccines
8. The side effects
9. For the love of Meadow
10. Harsh standards for our pets
11. Legislators woefully uninformed
12. Informed pet owners for improvement
13. Do vets annually vaccinate THEIR pets?
14. Humane and ethical?
15. The adjuvants
16. The Rabies Challenge Fund
Rabies Challenge Fund video
Quotes
This is one of the most important projects in veterinary medicine. It will benefit all dogs by providing evidence that protection from rabies vaccination lasts at least 5 years, thereby avoiding unnecessary revaccination with its attendant risk of debilitating adverse reactions ~ Dr. Jean Dodds
Rabies immunization laws in the United States are not based upon long-term duration of immunity studies. The Rabies Challenge Fund will finance concurrent 5 and 7 year studies according to FDA vaccine licensing standards. The results will provide the scientific data base which state laws should reflect in order to avoid unnecessary over vaccination while maintaining immunity to rabies in the canine community ~ Kris Christine
John 1:7, Deuteronomy 19:15
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Additional Resources
The Rabies Challenge Fund at the Womens Podcasting Expo - Show #42
Are Vaccinations Killing Our Pets? - Show #86
Vaccines, Are They Safe for Your Dog?
The Big Scam: Rabies Vaccination
Health Hazard of Routine Vaccinations
The Rabies Vaccine for Dogs and Cats: What You Need to Know Now
Arrrooo everyone, it’s a really big show! Have a pawsitively tail waggin’, hoof stompin’, animal talkin’ day WOOF!
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Other articles to read on vaccines:
Dee Blanco, DVM. ‘Vaccines: Are They Safe For Your Dog?”
http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/Adobe/DrBlancoVaccDog.pdf
Rabies Vaccination: The Big Scam:
http://siriusdog.com/articles/vaccination-scam-myths-laws.htm
And this link is just fantastic for making people aware of everything
that actually is contained in vaccines:
http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/vaccine_awareness/through_the_needle.html
Dr. Jean Dodds has done some terrific work on autoimmune disease and
vaccines. Here is one of her articles discussing adverse reactions to
vaccines:
http://www.britfeld.com/vaccination-adverse.htm
It is dangerously misleading, and, indeed, the exact opposite of the truth to claim that a vaccine makes us ‘immune’ or protects us against an acute disease, if in fact it only drives the disease deeper into the interior and causes us to harbor it chronically, with the result that our responses to it become progressively weaker, and show less and less tendency to heal or resolve themselves spontaneously. — Dr. Richard Moskowitz, homeopath (Journal of the American Institute of Homeopathy, March 1983)
Isn’t it true that many dogs will have to be killed in order to do this study? What dogs will they choose to kill? Yje dogs brain is what must be looked at and is it not true they will kill the dogs in the study in order to do this??
Hi Cathy,
No I’m not sure why you’d think they would kill dogs to do this. They are studying the long-term effects of the rabies vaccine NOT the rabies virus.
You’re confusing the diagnosis of rabies with the study of the rabies VACCINE. Hope this clears it up for you. Dr. Dodds wants what is best for the animals and she’d not do anything that would bring harm to them. In fact she does a great thing in rescuing former racing Greyhounds. Please look further and read further the study rather than thinking it’s about killing dogs. This is a VERY great and needed study.
Kim Bloomer, VND
Host of ATN
Antibody Titers
Titers don’t take into effect cell mediated immunity, which is the most important aspect of disease protection for a number of diseases. Titers they don’t asses the ability of memory cells, B and T lymphocytes, which can live up to 20 years or more, to regenerate an immune response. You can have a negative titer and if the pet is exposed, memory cells can respond within hours to regenerate enough antibodies for protective immunity.
2000 Report of American Association
what do you think of this .Trying to help. Jonathan hughes.
I am confused. According to Newsday, they will be euthenizing the beagles used for this study at the end of the trials. Please see the artcile here:
http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/ny-hopets5556585jan31,0,7426377.column
I know this is a very important topic, but I would really like to know where I can find more information on the dogs the are involved in the study and what happens to them during and after.
–Kristy
Hi Kristy,
Yes test dogs are being used and probably die as a result. Unfortunately many, many pet dogs are dying because of the vaccines. So either way dogs are dying.
I know how Dr. Dodds feels about these dogs and how she does so much to help animals. I suggest you contact The Rabies Challenge Fund at
http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org
Many dog owners feel this is necessary in order to end the massive suffering of forced vaccines. Because the government agencies demand proof, some dogs in the testing are certain to die. So I hold the government responsible, not the Rabies Challenge Fund.
Dr. Kim
Animal Talk Naturally
Dr. Ron Schultz is presenting a seminar on The Rabies Challenge Study in Alpharetta, GA, this coming Saturday. I can hardly wait to hear him! I work with mini Schnauzer rescue in GA and this is very exciting scientific study for those of us in rescue, not only with our rescue dogs but with our own pets. Too many dogs are given vaccinations when they come into a shelter “just because” they have no vet history. In reality, most of these dogs are NOT in good health and are vaccinated regardless of this fact, further assaulting their already shaky immune systems. To get definitive scientific proof that the rabies vaccine, the most hazardous of all vaccinations given to dogs and cats, is not only NOT required annually but may not be required but once in an animal’s lifetime would be a HUGE step toward healthier animals.
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Please advise this is what my vet is telling me. I never heard of this and want to make sure i am doing the best thing for my dog. They are trying to tell me that the 3 year shot is not the best option. They want to give her the shot every year. They said that the three year shot has higher risks. Is there any truth in that or should I find a place that does the 3 year shot. I have worked with animals for over 10 years and this is the first time that I am hearing about it. I read some of the study that you posted and I am just curious what is the opinion on this. Is the 1 year shot better than the 3 year shot. Even though I know some vets give them same shot for both.
[...] 4/29/08 WYOMING Rabies Law Update & ISDRA International Sled Dog Racing Association 4/29/08 Wyoming Rabies Law Update and ISDRA–International Sled Dog Racing Association Once again, dog lovers are helping to bring about great changes for dogs with active participation on rabies laws — THANK YOU to all of you who have been assisting in these efforts — it’s working! Kris Wyoming update: The e-mail below, shared with permission from the recipient, from the President of the Cheyenne City Council, Don Pierson, was received 4/29/08 by the lead activist in Wyoming, Karon Volk: "Hello Mrs. Volk Just a followup to let you know that the Mayor and I are working together and have instructed the city attorney to prepare an ordinance or a resolution to take care of the 1 year vs 3 year problem. All the research I have found says that to require our city residents to get the vaccination for their pets every year is unnecessary. I will let you know when it will be ready for introduction and would hope that you would like to attend our meetings and testify about the situation. Let me know if there is anything else I can do at this time about this situation. Thanks for all your info you provided and your concern." ISDRA-International Sled Dog Racing Association: After Steve Goldman, a concerned ISDRA member, contacted the International Sled Dog Racing Association about ISDRA sanctioned races requiring annual rabies vaccinations for sled dogs and asked for assistance, I wrote the letter to the Executive Director Below. Mr. Steele responded immediately and will be publishing announcements in 2 issues of Dog and Driver before the proposal comes before the full ISDRA Board. What You Can Do If you are concerned about racing events that require sled dogs to receive redundant annual rabies boosters, please e-mail Dave Steele at dsteele@brainerd.net PERMISSION GRANTED TO POST AND CROSS-POST THIS MESSAGE March 18, 2008 Mr. Dave Steele, Executive Director International Sled Dog Racing Association 22702 Rebel Road Merrifield, MN 56465, USA E-mail: dsteele@brainerd.net Greetings Mr. Steele: One of the objectives listed in the International Sled Dog Racing Associations (ISDRA) Constitution and By-Laws under Article II C is to: Promote the welfare of sled dogs in all activities and endeavors. Further on, under Article IX Section 2 A 4, it declares one of the duties of the Animal Welfare Committee shall be to: Inform the membership of new advances in canine nutrition and all areas related to the physical and mental well-being of sled dogs." With those objectives and the physical and mental well-being of sled dogs in mind, I am writing to request that ISDRAs Board of Directors seriously consider alerting its membership to the potential health hazards associated with redundant annual rabies vaccinations, which some U.S. and Canadian races require for team entrants. Annual rabies vaccinations after the initial puppy series are medically unnecessary and contrary to the recommendations of the Center for Disease Controls (CDC) National Association of State Public Health Veterinarian’s (NASPHV) Compendium of Animal Rabies Prevention and Control which declare that: "Vaccines used in state and local rabies control programs should have at least a 3-year duration of immunity,[1] and should be administered no more often than specified by the product label or package insert. The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) endorses a 3 year protocol as does the American Animal Hospital Association (AAHA).[2] Many, if not most or all, annual rabies vaccines are the 3 year vaccine relabeled for annual use. According to Dr. Ronald Schultz of the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine, whose canine vaccine studies form a large part of the scientific base for the 2003 and 2007 AAHA Canine Vaccine Guidelines as well as the World Small Animal Veterinary Associations (WSAVA) Vaccine Guidelines, There is no benefit from annual rabies vaccination and most one year rabies products are similar or identical to the 3-year products with regard to duration of immunity and effectiveness.[3] Because the rabies vaccine is the most potent of the veterinary vaccines and associated with significant adverse reactions, it should not be given more often than is necessary to maintain immunity. Adverse reactions such as autoimmune diseases affecting the thyroid, joints, blood, eyes, skin, kidney, liver, bowel and central nervous system; anaphylactic shock; aggression; seizures; epilepsy; and fibrosarcomas at injection sites are linked to rabies vaccinations. Rabies is a killed vaccine, for which internationally accepted scientific data have demonstrated a minimum duration of immunity of 3 years by challenge and 7 years serologically. The rabies vaccine, and other killed vaccines such as Leptospira and Lyme, contains adjuvants such as aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, and aluminum potassium sulfate to enhance the immunological response. In 1999, the World Health Organization "classified veterinary vaccine adjuvants as Class III/IV carcinogens with Class IV being the highest risk,"[4] and the results of a study published in the August 2003 Journal of Veterinary Medicine documenting fibrosarcomas at the presumed injection sites of rabies vaccines stated, In both dogs and cats, the development of necrotizing panniculitis at sites of rabies vaccine administration was first observed by Hendrick & Dunagan (1992). [5] According to the 2003 AAHA Canine Vaccine Guidelines, "…killed vaccines are much more likely to cause hypersensitivity reactions (e.g., immune-mediated disease)."[6] With the physical challenges of the trail to meet, sled dogs should not be exposed to the health hazards associated with medically unwarranted annual rabies boosters in order to enter racing events. I strongly urge you to inform your membership of the potential risks associated with unnecessary annual rabies vaccinations and request that ISDRA only sanction races that conform to the 3 year standard recommended by the Center for Disease Controls National Association of State Public Health Veterinarians, the American Veterinary Medical Association, and the American Animal Hospital Association. If you have any questions or would like copies of the material referenced above, please contact me at [redacted]. Sincerely, Kris L. Christine Founder, Co-Trustee The Rabies Challenge Fund ——————————————————————————– [1] Center for Disease Controls National Association of State Public Health Veterinarian’s Compendium of Animal Rabies Prevention and Control http://www.nasphv.org/Documents/RabiesCompendium.pdf [2]The American Veterinary Medical Associations 2007 RABIES VACCINATION PROCEDURES http://www.avma.org/products/scientific/biologics.pdf The 2006 American Animal Hospital Association’s Canine Vaccine Guidelines are downloadable in PDF format at About AAHA [3] What Everyone Needs to Know about Canine Vaccines, Dr. Ronald Schultz What Everyone Needs to Know About Canine Vaccines Duration of Immunity to Canine Vaccines: What We Know and Don’t Know, Dr. Ronald Schultz Duration of Immunity World Small Animal Veterinary Association 2007 Vaccine Guidelines - WSAVA - Scientific Advisory Committee Scroll down to Vaccine Guidelines 2007 (PDF) [4] IARC Monographs on the Evaluation of Carcinogenic Risks to Humans: Volume 74, World Health Organization, International Agency for Research on Cancer, Feb. 23-Mar. 2, 1999, p. 24, 305, 310 [5] Fibrosarcomas at Presumed Sites of Injection in Dogs: Characteristics and Comparison with Non-vaccination Site Fibrosarcomas and Feline Post-vaccinal Fibrosarcomas; Journal of Veterinary Medicine, Series A August 2003, vol. 50, no. 6, pp. 286-291(6) [6] The 2003 American Animal Hospital Association’s Canine Vaccine Guidelines are accessible online at Special Report __________________________________________________ ____________________________________ More information on the rabies vaccine can be found at the following links : Animal Wellness Magazine Article Vol. 8 Issue 6, How Often Does he REALLY Need A Rabies Shot Animal Wellness Magazine - devoted to natural health in animals The Rabies Challenge Animal Wise Radio Interview Listen to Animal Wise (scroll down to The Rabies Challenge 12/9/07) The Vaccine Challenge Animal Talk Naturally Online Radio Show The Vaccine Challenge - Show #91 [...]
[...] 4/30/08 WYOMING Update –Cheyenne to Change to 3 Years! - Today, 04:56 AM 4/29/08 Wyoming Rabies Law Update and ISDRA–International Sled Dog Racing Association Once again, dog lovers are helping to bring about great changes for dogs with active participation on rabies laws — THANK YOU to all of you who have been assisting in these efforts — it’s working! Kris Wyoming update: The e-mail below, shared with permission from the recipient, from the President of the Cheyenne City Council, Don Pierson, was received 4/29/08 by the lead activist in Wyoming, Karon Volk: "Hello Mrs. Volk Just a followup to let you know that the Mayor and I are working together and have instructed the city attorney to prepare an ordinance or a resolution to take care of the 1 year vs 3 year problem. All the research I have found says that to require our city residents to get the vaccination for their pets every year is unnecessary. I will let you know when it will be ready for introduction and would hope that you would like to attend our meetings and testify about the situation. Let me know if there is anything else I can do at this time about this situation. Thanks for all your info you provided and your concern." ISDRA-International Sled Dog Racing Association: After Steve Goldman, a concerned ISDRA member, contacted the International Sled Dog Racing Association about ISDRA sanctioned races requiring annual rabies vaccinations for sled dogs and asked for assistance, I wrote the letter to the Executive Director Below. Mr. Steele responded immediately and will be publishing announcements in 2 issues of Dog and Driver before the proposal comes before the full ISDRA Board. What You Can Do If you are concerned about racing events that require sled dogs to receive redundant annual rabies boosters, please e-mail Dave Steele at dsteele@brainerd.net PERMISSION GRANTED TO POST AND CROSS-POST THIS MESSAGE March 18, 2008 Mr. Dave Steele, Executive Director International Sled Dog Racing Association 22702 Rebel Road Merrifield, MN 56465, USA E-mail: dsteele@brainerd.net Greetings Mr. Steele: One of the objectives listed in the International Sled Dog Racing Associations (ISDRA) Constitution and By-Laws under Article II C is to: Promote the welfare of sled dogs in all activities and endeavors. Further on, under Article IX Section 2 A 4, it declares one of the duties of the Animal Welfare Committee shall be to: Inform the membership of new advances in canine nutrition and all areas related to the physical and mental well-being of sled dogs." With those objectives and the physical and mental well-being of sled dogs in mind, I am writing to request that ISDRAs Board of Directors seriously consider alerting its membership to the potential health hazards associated with redundant annual rabies vaccinations, which some U.S. and Canadian races require for team entrants. Annual rabies vaccinations after the initial puppy series are medically unnecessary and contrary to the recommendations of the Center for Disease Controls (CDC) National Association of State Public Health Veterinarian’s (NASPHV) Compendium of Animal Rabies Prevention and Control which declare that: "Vaccines used in state and local rabies control programs should have at least a 3-year duration of immunity,[1] and should be administered no more often than specified by the product label or package insert. The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) endorses a 3 year protocol as does the American Animal Hospital Association (AAHA).[2] Many, if not most or all, annual rabies vaccines are the 3 year vaccine relabeled for annual use. According to Dr. Ronald Schultz of the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine, whose canine vaccine studies form a large part of the scientific base for the 2003 and 2007 AAHA Canine Vaccine Guidelines as well as the World Small Animal Veterinary Associations (WSAVA) Vaccine Guidelines, There is no benefit from annual rabies vaccination and most one year rabies products are similar or identical to the 3-year products with regard to duration of immunity and effectiveness.[3] Because the rabies vaccine is the most potent of the veterinary vaccines and associated with significant adverse reactions, it should not be given more often than is necessary to maintain immunity. Adverse reactions such as autoimmune diseases affecting the thyroid, joints, blood, eyes, skin, kidney, liver, bowel and central nervous system; anaphylactic shock; aggression; seizures; epilepsy; and fibrosarcomas at injection sites are linked to rabies vaccinations. Rabies is a killed vaccine, for which internationally accepted scientific data have demonstrated a minimum duration of immunity of 3 years by challenge and 7 years serologically. The rabies vaccine, and other killed vaccines such as Leptospira and Lyme, contains adjuvants such as aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, and aluminum potassium sulfate to enhance the immunological response. In 1999, the World Health Organization "classified veterinary vaccine adjuvants as Class III/IV carcinogens with Class IV being the highest risk,"[4] and the results of a study published in the August 2003 Journal of Veterinary Medicine documenting fibrosarcomas at the presumed injection sites of rabies vaccines stated, In both dogs and cats, the development of necrotizing panniculitis at sites of rabies vaccine administration was first observed by Hendrick & Dunagan (1992). [5] According to the 2003 AAHA Canine Vaccine Guidelines, "…killed vaccines are much more likely to cause hypersensitivity reactions (e.g., immune-mediated disease)."[6] With the physical challenges of the trail to meet, sled dogs should not be exposed to the health hazards associated with medically unwarranted annual rabies boosters in order to enter racing events. I strongly urge you to inform your membership of the potential risks associated with unnecessary annual rabies vaccinations and request that ISDRA only sanction races that conform to the 3 year standard recommended by the Center for Disease Controls National Association of State Public Health Veterinarians, the American Veterinary Medical Association, and the American Animal Hospital Association. If you have any questions or would like copies of the material referenced above, please contact me at [redacted]. Sincerely, Kris L. Christine Founder, Co-Trustee The Rabies Challenge Fund ——————————————————————————– [1] Center for Disease Controls National Association of State Public Health Veterinarian’s Compendium of Animal Rabies Prevention and Control http://www.nasphv.org/Documents/RabiesCompendium.pdf [2]The American Veterinary Medical Associations 2007 RABIES VACCINATION PROCEDURES http://www.avma.org/products/scientific/biologics.pdf The 2006 American Animal Hospital Association’s Canine Vaccine Guidelines are downloadable in PDF format at About AAHA [3] What Everyone Needs to Know about Canine Vaccines, Dr. Ronald Schultz What Everyone Needs to Know About Canine Vaccines Duration of Immunity to Canine Vaccines: What We Know and Don’t Know, Dr. Ronald Schultz Duration of Immunity World Small Animal Veterinary Association 2007 Vaccine Guidelines - WSAVA - Scientific Advisory Committee Scroll down to Vaccine Guidelines 2007 (PDF) [4] IARC Monographs on the Evaluation of Carcinogenic Risks to Humans: Volume 74, World Health Organization, International Agency for Research on Cancer, Feb. 23-Mar. 2, 1999, p. 24, 305, 310 [5] Fibrosarcomas at Presumed Sites of Injection in Dogs: Characteristics and Comparison with Non-vaccination Site Fibrosarcomas and Feline Post-vaccinal Fibrosarcomas; Journal of Veterinary Medicine, Series A August 2003, vol. 50, no. 6, pp. 286-291(6) [6] The 2003 American Animal Hospital Association’s Canine Vaccine Guidelines are accessible online at Special Report __________________________________________________ ____________________________________ More information on the rabies vaccine can be found at the following links : Animal Wellness Magazine Article Vol. 8 Issue 6, How Often Does he REALLY Need A Rabies Shot Animal Wellness Magazine - devoted to natural health in animals The Rabies Challenge Animal Wise Radio Interview Listen to Animal Wise (scroll down to The Rabies Challenge 12/9/07) The Vaccine Challenge Animal Talk Naturally Online Radio Show The Vaccine Challenge - Show #91 [...]
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